Our worst nightmare, the SOG guns are reappearing
Wow, there's a lot of crap from the SOG cache of spurrious Martinis appearing on Gunbroker right now. About 1 in 3 of the guns they have listed are patently incorrect--but 100% rare and...
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I think we are all more or less on the same page here I bought this knowing full well what it was, fairly easy as the British never made any, this has no phony markings on any part of it and is all...
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The pistol is a totally legit handmade firearm in the Martini form. No fake markings. No intent to deceive. Just a local's effort to make a pistol....and one that required a fair amount of work. The...
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Victor, Re. the almost perfect SMLE; I read an aricle on the firearms of India some time ago, and it appears some of the best of the khyber copies were actually bought by the authorities to arm tribal...
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There is a far difference between a rifle made to meet local demand and one that is made purposely to to deceive, and no amount of rationalization can legitimize them.
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I just want to say that I'm glad this thread has received new attention. I have never managed to find or see one of those martini pistols, and now that I have; I see why Ian purchased his. If I...
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Douglas, I don't think anyone would attempt to defend a firearm made intentionally to deceive, my only point was that some (many even) of the older ones were not made with this intent. Martiniarms,...
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Richard, Do you perchance post on the Ethno Arms forum (vikingsword.com) as well? You may recall Ward's magnificent, entirely hand-made Mauser C96. That's the kind of thing I admire; the simple fact...
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Folks, I'm struggling telling if mine is fake or not. I've read through your posts and have serious doubts mine is authentic but wanted to get opinion.Eric
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It's counterfeit...where did you get it?
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SOG...wish I had read this first. Got it in the mail today and plan to ship it back tomorrow. Irritating. Really more irritated at myself for jumping at it without checking first. Uggg. Going to raise...
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Dont feel like the only sucker I got one too pop over to IMA and ask them to pick you a nice one that needs to be cleaned, I think they are about the same price but you will have a good gun
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A few years ago I bought one of the Martini .303 carbines from SOG. It was undoubtedly a counterfeit & I returned it the following day with a long letter detailing all the discrepancies I could...
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Folks, I am more frustrated today after talking to SOG about this rifle. After some back and forth they defend it's original and finally agreed to accept a return but the shipping both ways is on...
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You only need to do one thing and that is contact ATF's Imports Branch. You bought it as an antique and you believe it is not. Tell them that. It can't go in C&R book unless it is more than 50...
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Eric said: "...knowing its a fake I would feel funny just shipping back through regular mail. If its fake then presumably it was manufactured after 1898. If I went with this option should I send it...
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Yes there are exceptions to 50 year rule, but ATF has issue a determination letter to be legal, you and I can't decide, ATF has to do that.
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NutsnBolts, The best way to tell original from recent (or hand made) replica is to handle a few hundred rifles and take a couple dozen of them apart. Your comment about cleaning and "decorative"...
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A coda to my previous post, the fact that the SOG guns are stamped so deeply means that the frames are not properly case hardened like a British rifle. On the guns we sorted at IMA over this past...
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Looks like one of the moderators kindly split off the jezail discussion. Thanks, guys, glad to see you're on top of things.
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